You shouldve made that decision because it is a piece of garbage, not because of this hysterical article. I have to say this really makes me mad. See below for more information. Glad I happened upon this article. I ended up buying an Honor Defense Honor Guard. Very pleased with it, as it has most of the features I wanted on a CC weapon. Springfield cleaning to get the taint out of there. Ben Franklin once said, If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.. Im not ordering anything Springfield. I dont buy imported guns so SA & RRA are not going to loose any sales because of me. Or companies selling imported crap that pretend to be American. There is a story of a guy that got run out of business after a hurricane because he jacked his prices up for generators. And yes, they are actually closer to Iowa than to Chicago. And now a sell out. And then maybe. It was a great decision, I have never looked back. This is how capitalism works. Send a signal to IL Senators and the Governor that supporting the bill is politically a trainwreck. Its not difficult. The owners at S&W that colluded with Clinton paid the price for it. It is in between 5.56 and .223, but will safely shoot both. The lobbying group in question received money from SA and RRA back in 2014. And whats worse, if it passes, Bloomberg will attempt to duplicate this legislation in all 50 states. Any combination of buying or selling that exceeds 9 is a crime if youre not a dealer. God Bless America, As a dealer I will no longer suggest either one of these firearm companies to my customers or stock them there are many other fine firearms on the market. So an opportunity to block others selling in Illinois seemed like a quick and dirty way to make a few more bucks. Good for them. This new model is the latest in the growing line of rifles and pistols based on the RRAGE platform. Defending Your Legacy is obviously just a marketing slogan for Springfield. Beretta (ex-MD) and Remington (ex-NY) make your statements look foolish. Lots of work. Who Makes Rock River Arms? They did what they thought would keep the Criminal Clinton Administration from making a total all out war on guns. Ive gotten good deals and free shipping on Handguards from CTD. Hes told several industry types that he had no contact with IFMA lobbyist Jay Keller and knew nothing of this carve-out. So how is screwing your customer base over a sound business strategy? You are both dead to me now. I.e., Target blamed climate change on revenue misses. Anytown on I80 feels like the Chicago area to the downstaters. That alone is enough to put them out of business. What would you have done differently if you ran SA or RRA with a workforce that is similarly trapped in soviet Illinois and depends on your company staying open and profitable to keep their jobs? Whats left after the hate which never leaves? Youre welcome to come visit and help during the next election cycle. Even cosmetologists and lawyers. Get a Dan Wesson instead. No guilt trip on my hip. IF WE LOSE RRA BECAUSE OF THIS HYSTERICAL REACTION, thats a blow to liberty. I think probably not. Fight it. Lower Half, A2 Stock Just From $410. We will support our Illinois brethren and NOT purchase anything from Springfield Armory or RRA. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. So, if youre looking for a cheap AR-15, Rock When S&W is in the position to potentially block anti-gun legislation but decides not to because it is better for their business even if it screws their customers, THEN YOU WILL SEE ME call for an S&W boycott. You and your mindset are one of the problems with this country. chamber also differ from the 5.56 mm NATO chamber And IFMA successfully lobbied and got a manufactures exemption this bill . Good luck RRA. Rock River Arms has Except they are both under different ownership today. Now for 2022, the company ups the game for hunters with the introduction of the All-Terrain Hunter (ATH) , a mid-length rifle that stands tall in the field of AR-platform hunting rifles. Last trip to the range, ran a couple hundred rounds of all flavors through it without an FTE/FTF. Probably hard now to sell it for half what you paid if at all. Rock River Arms RRAGE Carbine LAR-15 with ATN Day/Night scope. I am not positive, but didnt Beretta get so pissed with Maryland that they moved everything, or is it still on going? Im sorry, I mean they would ask after putting you and your fliers in the dumpster. Rock River Arms is an American manufacturer of firearms that was founded in 1996. Frankly, Im wondering how Im going to sell my existing inventory.. Some would disagree. Now Springfield will learn the hard way. I used to have a TRP. I would start negotiating with one of those for manufacturing space and move my entire operation to a gun-friendly climate. Im both an Illinois resident and a SA collector with over half of my collection being custom and box SA products. They are more than welcome in southern Indiana. Everyone (hopefully) recognizes that Bloomberg et al use bad legislation in NY and elsewhere as models to sell to politicians elsewhere, hence the need to use all available legal avenues to demonstrate the fallout from such actions. Anyone who tries will come out worse for the experience. Are you reading-impaired? This would appear to be financial suicide by Springfield. As the old adage goes, put up or shut up. You would answer your own question if you noticed my opening remark: Ruger was making superior quality products using totally American resources. I see only three plausible reasons: 1) Greed millions are never enough. Henry and Ruger get my votes for Americas Gunmakers. The LAR-15 X-Series X-1 Rifle in .223/5.56mm from Rock River Arms is available at a manufacturer suggested retail price of $1,450.00 and $1,500.00, depending on the stock and color option (Black and Tan). Weve been busting our asses to support our friends and punish our enemies. With all the gun control in northern Illinois how the hell can they screw all of us like this! WebRock River Arms LAR-15 Fred Eichler Predator 223 Remington/5.56 NATO AR15 Semi Auto Rifle $ Remove from Compare Add to Compare. Was very interested in this new pistol too as a possible single-stack semi-auto alternative to my J-frame. The RRAGE pistol features a 10.5-inch barrel. And I believe it came with an internal lock on the main spring housing. Its like trying to work with Bloomberg himself. This was a bit disingenuous because, basically, both companies were see: gasoline supply during any natural disaster where the govt threatens to prosecute profiteers. How is he still employed? Rock River Arms built its reputation on quality semi-automatic AR-pattern rifles and 1911 handguns. Damn shame. Join up with other interest groups if common goals can be found. Somehow, I get the idea the House will be a cakewalk for any anti-gun bill compared to the Senate, which this one has already passed. when supply cant meet demand, then the price increases.. this draws more suppliers into the market to meet demand and you see the price decrease. Any I have to ask WHY? Do you rednecks and white trash go out of your way to get the their wrong every single time? The XD and Saint are good guns, but they really arent all that different from a lot of other good guns on the market. Two companies provide the bulk of the funding for IFMA:Springfield Armory and Rock River Arms. WebSo What Happened At Rock River Arms & Springfield Armory??? Please focus on customer relations and positioning strategies. Then beg for forgiveness. They also make an Original Henry Rifle. No sane company would move in to Illinois unless it was to curry political favor in Chicago as Boeing moving their HQ (no production) did. If youre looking for a good, dependable AR at a reasonable price, I dont think you The response was to Mark about the others being vastly superior, not your comment. They must be put out of business for their treachery. So Rock River Arms story is complete crap and a bald faced LIE on the order of, I did not have sex with that women. Katrina gun confiscation showed us what any civil conflict will have as the belligerents, LEOs / Feds posing as LEOs giving you a hard choice.and a few Bundy-style standoffs. But I didnt detect a lot of love in his words. Tennessee welcomed Beretta with open arms and the employment of a lot a lot of people in well-paying jobs. Not saying you have to like what happened, but its soviet Illinois, it was going to happen with or without their opposition. Beretta kicked Maryland to the curb for their ridiculous gun laws. WebRock River Arms Two Stage Match Trigger Kit4.5-5 lbThe RRA match AR trigger kit is designed for AR-15 and AR-10 Mil-Spec lower receivers with .154 trigger and hammer pins. Well, not basically, they did. Yes, that is the cloud which is usually much larger than the silver lining. These two companies MUST be boycotted into bankruptcy. Had a Springfield 1911 that I sold late last year to fund another purchase and was thinking of replacing it with a TRP at some point guess this gives me all the excuses I needed to spend a few hundred more for a Dan Wesson or an STI. THEY MUST BE BOYCOTTED INTO BANKRUPTCY. Ruget supported the ban on high capacity (ie standard capacity) mags as it favored their line of sporting rifles like the mini-14. Hes totally grasping at straws on that point in his video. Folks like me are willing to kill for them. And to be fair, those are twice the price of the Ruger. Wasnt there big stink couple years ago about so called kitchen table FFLs not realy conducting business for living and just getting wholesale pricing on guns for themselves and their family members? Easy there tough guy. (This is in response to Mark). WebRock River Arms AR15 Uppers for Sale at Joe Bob Outfitters! My SA 1911 Loaded Target has been my favorite pistol since I bought it last year. We picked up a few seats last fall, but that simply moved the average ideology of the Dem members further left in our state legislature. I own or have owned a number of AR's, including a couple of LaRue's, a KAC, a PWS and a POF. Thats kind of where Im at as well, REALLY pissed Im not going to be buying the Socom II Ive been saving for. The more concentrated the producers and sellers of firearms becomes the easier it will be to controlled and monitored. What gets me is there has been plenty of time and opportunity for damage control or to save face but they havent done anything to fix what theyve done. If you sell more than 9 guns per year, you are in the business of selling guns. I considered buying an XDs when I was looking for a conceal carry, glad I bought something else. Same here. Hindsight is always 20/20 and the Liberal Dems are always after our Firearms Freedoms. Yes, very disappointed. Its a freakin disaster. Now I wish I had not. With the Hillarys loss there is no longer a looming gun ban on the horizon and the firearm industry and market is facing a correction. I had some AR parts on order a few days before Sands Hook. Are you aware it was Bill Ruger who testified before Congress that nobody needs more than 10 rounds? Especially ones outside Chiraq. And Im not giving them up, to anybody, under any circumstances. Bill is long gone and the last 15yrs of Ruger leadership have taken a much different stance. I have been casually looking at getting a 1911. Have been eyeballing the SA Saint the last couple weeks. No more. http://www.nbcnews.com/id/28141995/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/illinois-has-long-legacy-public-corruption/, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_state_and_local_politicians_convicted_of_crimes. Never, ever. For those who missed it, we broke the story late Thursday evening. I just wish there was a good M14 clone I could get. RRA IS THE ONLY COMPANY THAT CAN MAKE A RELIABLE AR-10. Never give one inch or miles will be lost. But it will be history at my house. Rock Rivers AR builds are superb, and they come in at a price thats quite reasonable (starting at $1,585). A corrupt Illinois politician. No other IL manufacturers donated, not Armalite, not DSA, nada. If that hurts a company whos sold you out, good. If you dont like their price dont buy. Never bought anything Springfield Armory, never will! Two more companies added to my do not buy from list. Good for them, too. If Rauner is serious about re-election he will veto this flaming sack of shite. Cant beat that! Many companies make mistakes, sometimes huge. I sent an email and their response was the parts were out of stock. If you know youre going to lose 50% off sticker driving something new off the lot, odds are you keep looking. What opinion? Rock solid performer. But they were happy to allow their lobbyist to finagle them a carve out. The Illinois Manufacturers Association will continue to fight and protect not only manufacturers, but dealers and the gun owner as well.. As a long-time, dedicated anti-gunner, this wasnt Senator Harmons first legislative rodeo. Welp. I hate to say this Tony, but you are completely clueless about lobbyists. I put 3.5k rounds through it before a malfunction. My target is when my oldest daughter graduates from high school. After asking you if youd like to sign up for a membership, and cc insurance. Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms Trade Opposition to Illinois FFL Licensing Scheme for Carve-Out. Grow the hell up and when you get some big boy panties and own your own business you will understand how it works. Keyboard commandos wont fight it out on any battlefield. With support like that, who needs Everytown? When you need mags that you can count on with each and every shot, make sure you turn to Rock River Arms! But do they double down on their error (Target) or put things into place that not only fix the error but make them new and better than ever. Maybe they should look to Beretta. Made in US, SSteel frame, ambi controls, no mag safety, field strips/assembles in less than a minute with no tools or pulling trigger. However, too many judges seem to rule on what they think should be fine, instead of the law. They are actively editing social media but refuse to address the issue. Have you not been following this story? This wasnt the first time gun dealer licensing has come up in Illinois. I only want American Made firearms like Henry & Ruger. No wonder were in trouble, POTG are clueless. My favorites in their calibers, cherished in my collections. If signed into law, the bill his lobbyist declined to oppose will drive many dealers out of business with its onerous and expensive restrictions and requirements. Did SA forget that this isnt 1988 anymore and that the internet exists? I have a Rock River PDS carbine. Oh yes, the Senator behind the bill has many skeletons, http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/illinois-state-senator-don-harmon-law-firm-makes-millions-from-state-agencies-pension-funds-the-watchdogs-oak-park/. Every damn one of you bad asses crying I wont buy from them again would have done the same thing. Glock and S&W sell their guns to states like NY, NJ, HI that trample our 2A rights every day but I dont see you bashing them and Ill bet most of you own a Glock or a S&W. We there the courts kill the law or the governor vetoes it, nothing changes the sellout by Springfield. A whole lot of gun owners see the deal as a sell-out. Everyone here is minding our business, because its our business where our money goes. As if they want to implode. Find gray, black, tan, alpine and other finishes on these .223 Rem / 5.56mm, .450 Bushmaster or 6.8 SPC chambered rifles. Im not selling it because of this cluster, but Im not buying from RRA again either. Nice deal on it until 4 July as well. Now they piss on us and tell us its raining? Current employees would be welcone to come along, otherwise there are many good and talented Americans looking for work. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Repeating_Arms#History. Mostly out of states with onerous laws and heavy taxation. Rock River Arms is one of the largest manufacturers of AR-15 rifles in the United States. These lobbyists arent in business to protect gun owners or the Second Amendment. If you do a little digging, you will find they were importing 1911s from Brazil in the early days too. Theres no way to know for sure. When I found out that they hire Vets to assemble and test them, it was icing on the cake and I got one for low $400s. Divide & conquer. What should be boycotted is this garbage blog. When a big box store is competitive on price with the local gun shop, you know there is a problem. They did what they had to do to stay profitable just like companies in Kalifornia and NewYork and liberal bastions. He might want to eject before the SS Springfield capsizes. And no one calls or emails the company that is one of the largest contributor the IFMA group. Bummer, I was considering a Springfield 1911 at some point. I realy liked this ranger officer mogel all stainless nice looking gun. These fat dumb and happy political hacks arent used to burning time and money on issues this far out. Fuck Ruger as well. If you are willing to do 9mm, check out an Honor Guard. As has been said by numerous others, that Springer I had thought about buying just got thrown under the bus. They seemed like a freedom loving company that supported the right for people to do what they had rights to do. Since 2002. Hugely disappointing. This is going to be really bad for RRA and Springfield. Yes, a company can move and thrive, as it only a matter of time before the cutout is removed and they are closed down. More interesting question: can Springfield even attempt to disavow at this point? Cant this fool see how much this is going to hes going to hurt his own pocketbook for this tiny edge? He didnt say, Hey, we screwed up. Anyway, at least for now, I will bide my time and see if Springfield repents and takes positive actions to atone for their irrational IL acts. Out of stock Compare. RRA looks pretty darn guilty or pretty darn incompetent. We beat back a similar bill last year. Thats not fighting to protect gun owners. Because of rumors of canceled orders. I just bought an EMP 3-inch. (3) Rock River Arms LAR-15 Tactical CAR A4 223 Remington/5.56 NATO Carbine $ 684.99. No they dont. I know I wont be buying anything else from springfield armory. Just to be clear, they are using the name of the original company of Springfield, but they are not located in the city of Springfield. The future for firearms manufacturers is less than certain due to falling demand and moving a 50year old corporation like SA out of state is a huge expenditure. Id like to see Springfield make a correction here but it might be too late for that. Going the other direction nobody would move. I agree. Ruger didnt compromise, they wrote the AWA and betrayed every American gun owner in a most serious way. I totally agree Travis. PERIOD. After the backlash he closed down the store and retired. Along with lost new sales, this boneheaded move will kill resale values. No, they stood by and let their customers get screwed. From what I gathered from this article and all the information I viewed about this organization its hard to say just how much control SA and RRA has over the Illinois Firearms Manufacturers Association. in some cases they are just as passionate about their brands. This isnt really about the law itself. IRS records have also been found that shows Reese is on the board of IFMA. There is too much crap that I dont have a choice on (can you believe EVERY RV tire is made in China? If you want to scope your BM 59, there is a company that makes a direct over the bore scope kit for Garands that fits the BM59. Boom. Thats a double-whammy of reduced demand in the current market. Very close to where I grew up. Robert, and we, the honest and dedicated advocates of the 2A and gun owners stand by TTAG in this. Its pretty much just SA and RRA (and maybe a few tiny shops, but those are pretty much the only two big gun makers in Illinois). WebRock River Arms is a firearms manufacturer that produces a variety of rifles, pistols, and parts for civilian, law enforcement, and military markets. The Springfields looked to be a good value. The Springfield name is going to carry an odor, no matter how good a particular firearm might be. Neither excuse is a proper justification. Another dealer told me he wished Springfield well. because Im sure you dont live in illinios. Expect deep, deep discounts on that warehouse full of XD-Es and Saints they were hoping to sell this summer. Bill may not have been perfect (who is), but his passion for firearms was solid and he was known as Americas Gunmaker, for good reasons. That is only if Springfield Arms survives this. Ruger, S&W, Springfield, Rock River, Ive seen people complain about Glock and Colt, Hex Mag, and about a dozen more. Is screwing your customer base over a sound business strategy calls or emails the company that is one of funding! 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