The Dogon Revisited For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. The two anthropologists who first studied the Dogon (Griaule and Deiterlen) conducted their research in the 1930s. traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. "Dogon Restudied: A Field Evaluation of the Work of Marcel space. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. These same myths, Temple claims, identify a planet circling that star as the home of Nommo, an alien creature who founded the Dogon civilization. companion" (Bullard). They have a traditional belief in a heliocentric system and Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? The Dogon people had been visited by European visitors many times, most notably when they hosted French astronomers looking to find a good vantage point to observe the solar eclipse of 1893. (I must confess I've felt that way about some other people, tool). The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. Am I getting too picky here? Precise maps at the NASA space photo interpretation lab in Houston list "Behdet" as an ancient name for modern Damanhur, located today at 31.03 degN, 30.28 degE, i.e., more than a hundred kilometers away from where Temple locates his "Behdet" at 31.50 degN, 31.23 degE. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. Either way, the original purity of the Dogon-Sirius story is itself a myth as it is highly likely that Griaule contaminated their knowledge with his own. Here is an example of how hard it can be to critically examine the claims in the book. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. The bad news is that the pseudoscience websites were in seventeen different languages. A substantial bulk of The Sirius Mystery consists of comparative linguistic and mythological scholarship, pointing out resemblances among Dogon, Yoruba, Egyptian and Sumerian beliefs and symbols. Skeptic Jason Colavito counts The Sirius Mystery among the body of works in a tradition of ancient astronaut ideas he believes were ultimately inspired by H. P. Lovecraft's Cthulhu Mythos.[13][14]. WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Using spherical trig, I got 612.3 km for the Siwa-Behdet leg and 654.8 km for the Thebes-Behdet. Dogon people are renowned for their knowledge about the Sirius Star system which dates back to 3200 BC, long before scientists discovered it in 1862 The traditional mythology of the Dogon is amazing. 11.1. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? Carl Sagan's contribution to this discussion was in his book Broca's Brain (1979). What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. of their culture, came from Sirius -- which is at the crux of Temple's reconstruction? Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. star" (Sirius B) and describe its density and rotational He allegedly found the distances "to be nearly equal to one another" -- although no quantitative definition of "nearly equal" was ever offered. Sagan has recounted numerous examples from Arizona and New Guinea -- and other scholars have noted similar instances -- of the rapid assimilation of new stories, songs and lore into the eclectic mythology of Stone Age peoples. the Sirius "Mystery". October 1977 saw Marvin Luckermann's "More Sirius Difficulties," on ancient calendar systems and an alternate, non- extraterrestrial explanation for the ancient fascination with the number fifty (the article quotes Michael Astour's book Hellenosemitics as saying, "This exorbitant figure, very popular in Greek myths, has its explanation: it is the number of seven-day weeks in one lunar year. Dogon to explain their beliefs. Temple offered another line of reasoning. The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. And this is what Mr. Oberg has done." A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. To quote James and Thorpe: As for Sirius B, only Griaules informants had ever heard of it. Was Griaule told by his informants what he wanted to believe; did he misinterpret the Dogon responses to his questions? This would have wreaked havoc on the climate of any planets orbiting Sirius A. September 1976 saw It is a type of fuel that can lead to what Clay Farris Naff cleverly calls the neuron bomb. In this post, Michael Shermer asks, Is there a moral standard that stands above all the worlds religions that is based on some transcendent source?. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Cuddle up with someone. Sagan further commented that he was surprised, given the freedom of viewpoint that Fish used, that her map didnt match the Hill map better!4. ", A series of articles has appeared in the Griffith Observer, an astronomy magazin One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. Griaule either History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. So much for the Nommos. by Philip Coppens. In a response published in Fate magazine, he denied intending that: "I refer, entirely in passing, to the Greek word for siren and its similarity to the word for Sirius, drawing absolutely [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). So where does this leave the mysteries of Sirius? According to Robert Temple (The Sirius Mystery), the Dogon had Although he was an anthropologist, Griaule was keenly interested in astronomy and had studied it in Paris. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). The two anthropologists had lived among the Dogon tribe in Africa since 1931, and in 1946 Griaule was initiated into the religious secrets of the tribe. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. astronomical information. Most important, no one, even within the circle The Sirius mystery, though, remains of great interest to many researchers today. rotation is astronomically possible but whether it is correct or not we cannot yet know. e issued monthly by the Griffith Observatory in Los Angeles. WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. Sirius B without the need of a telescope because of their special eyesight Webplanet earth. Paranormal, ed. But it is an unfortunate tendency for certain reviewers to wish to try and appear clever at the expense of accuracy, honesty, objectivity, fairness, or even decent manners, by dropping any standards at all in their headlong assaults on authors using only the tools of distortion, dishonesty, and insults. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Liam McDaid is Astronomy Coordinator and Professor of Astronomy at Sacramento City College. seem to have done little else than give the earthlings some useless (Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books,1982), pp. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. WebThe population numbers between 400,000 and 800,000.. . Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. Even if you allow for a much higher biological mutation rate on any Sirian planet compared to the Earth, it still isnt enough time. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. in elliptical orbits of astronomical phenomena. Temple's theory is heavily based on his interpretation of the work of ethnographers Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen. Try my free online Rune Readings! York: Random House, 1995). Sagan, this about a star that cannot be seen without telescopes, and he made no This drawing is used by those who support the idea that the Dogon were taugfht about Sirius B by aliens. "He sent me the manuscript which I found unreadable. Nigel Appleby whose book Hall of the Gods was withdrawn from publication has admitted to being tremendously influenced by Temples Sirius Mystery. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to Some might argue that if there were a planet really close to Sirius A, it could be in a stable orbit. In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. In September 1980, Dr. Philip C. Steffey did an in-depth analysis of Dogon astronomical traditions in "Some Serious Astronomy in the 'Sirius Mystery,' " which criticized Temple's book as "inadequate and full of factual errors and misrepresentation of critical material. The star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. by Liam McDaid. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. Other Temple claims, including some wild assertions from The Secrets of the Great Pyramid, can as easily be checked and as easily demolished. James, Peter and Nick Thorpe. The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. Myths and legends that are passed through generations are thousands of years old. WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to myths by confabulation." Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." Webplanet earth. Indeed, in view of the Dogon fixation with Sirius it would surely be more surprising if they had not grafted on to their existing legend some new astronomical information gained from Europeans. But other observers have also written skeptically about the "Sirius Mystery. %PDF-1.4 WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). The tribe has a periodic Sirius festival called the "Segui" ceremony; each celebration lasts several years (the last was in 1968-72.) (Temple claims missionaries didn't show up until 1949.) WebThe Dogon understanding of astronomy was comparatively modern but has several known misconceptions - it entirely lines up with the European understanding as of the late 19th and early 20th centuries, before the discovery of relativity. See also von Dniken, Zecharia Sitchin, and UFO. Also it would take a very good set of lenses to see Sirius B, which has an apparent magnitude of 8.44 and a separation from Sirius A of 10 arcseconds (0.3% of a 1 angle) under the best conditions. complete diagram that the Dogon showed to the French anthropologists Marcel Griaule and Germaine Dieterlen, who were the original Whew! Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." But Fishs map used an arbitrary viewpoint in space. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. They know about the existence of the star Sirius B, a companion star to the brightest star in our sky, Sirius A. The expedition, led by Henri Deslandres, stayed in the field for five weeks, and it is reasonable that during this time many contacts with the locals took place, and that relatively modern astronomical knowledge was then transferred. So it merely remains for any interested reader to check and see which of us is correct. "It does not!" Carl Sagan agreed with Temple that the Dogon could not have acquired Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. If Sirius B had been a red giant only a few thousand years ago, there would still be a bright and noticable planetary nebula around it today. they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". The second idea, championed by Afrocentrist historians, is that the Dogons either found out about Sirius B on their own or learned about it from the Egyptians. extremely dense and has a fifty-year orbit. amphibious aliens or telescopic vision due to melanin. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. Review. Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved They observe that information about the odd invisible companion of Sirius had been widely published in Europe years before Europeans recorded the Dogon myths. Although Temple fails to prove its antiquity, the evidence for the recent acquisition of the information is still entirely circumstantial. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. And from what star system does the visitor come? The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. Melanin Conference, San Francisco, September 16-17, 1987"). The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. Worse still, hundreds of thousands of years ago, Sirius B was a dying red giant. Figure 2. Scientists learn that the Dogon do not possess secret knowledge about the star Sirius and its companions. S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 Second, while it is difficult to obtain precise locations of many archeological sites referred to in The Sirius Mystery, Temple himself shows a map that gives the location of Behdet (31.23 degE, 31.50 degN) and Thebes (32.63 degE, 25.70 degN). Below: The Canis Major Dwarf Galaxy (discovered in 2003) is the nearest known galaxy to the centre of the Milky Way. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. Figure 1. But it is apparent that Temple was not aware of Van Beeks devastating research. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the [2][1] The book was first published by St. Martin's Press in 1976. contact with some ugly, amphibious* The Dogon were in fact aware of the fact that Sirius is a binary system (i.e. But other observers disagree. sources for Temple's story. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. African thought. None were detected, That was not surprising since, judging from the age and energy of the stars in the Sirius system, astronomers believe it is unlikely that any earthlike planets could exist there long enough for life to emerge and develop. Somehow, Temple and I have never gotten our disputes off on the right foot. A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Temple claims his expert cartographer found these distances "nearly equal." Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. Temples response to criticism has so far been evasive. WebAlso there is the fact that they described the Nommo as fish people and you find all kinds of half man/half fish - serpent imagery all over the Mediterranean. found no evidence they knew Sirius was a double star or that Sirius B is In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. either in daily life or in ritual [to the Dogon]. It's almost certainly a hoax. | 3938 State St., Suite # 101, Santa Barbara, CA, 93105-3114 | 1-805-576-9396. Print versions available in Dutch, Russian, Japanese, and Korean. But even after hundreds of pages of myths and interpretations Temple fails to make a connection between ancient Egypt and the modern Dogons; instead he "assumes" it. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? stream ancient Egypt.*. 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