She said, "Well, she's just beautiful and she has lips like a baby doll." She should be with me. JAD: What's he talking about? Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., LATIF: Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. But a year later, the social worker called again. On the one hand, she says, immediately, cheques started arriving. This whole toad thing, to the Darwinian faction, it didn't scan really. [chuckles], OLOV BYGREN: Yes, yes. Copyright 2022 New York Public Radio. I had a little basketball for her. [laughs[ Exactly. And eventually, over the millenia, what youd get, is a creature with a very long neck. In this episode, originally aired in 2012, we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and chan His example with humans was a blacksmith. I make a difference to her. Nice, cool water. Were told. She's 20 months old. PAT: Isaiah's in college and Taylor and Brandon, I met them at Barbara's house and they seemed to be fine. I ended up finding myself really conflicted about it. And when methyl groups stick to that part of the DNA, the maternal instinct is effectively turned off. This is Radiolab. 10 Controversial And Thought-Provoking 'Radiolab' Episodes. Because while you might have a lot of influence, you know, genetically speaking, over your kids and their kids, you don't seem to have a lot of control. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: At once and we're watching 40 litters at a time. SAM KEAN: Very easily. They have six, seven, eight, ten, fourteen.]. We went to the foster home and went in. With NPR's Rough Translation. We actually sent our friend, Pejk Malinovski, to the archives in Stockholm to check it out. Riksarkivet. I just didn't think. According to Frances, it's not just sitting up there perfectly preserved, it's in the middle of the cell, it's crowded. ROBERT: That's Sam Kean again. They decided to explore this question. On the one hand, she says, immediately, cheques started arriving. PAT: The question that was stuck in my head right then was, "If you could choose between being born knowing that your life might end up like that and not like it is now, or not been born at all, what would you have done?". The event that really sets this story in motion, the set of events, happened a few months after Barbara had brought Destiny home. What does it look like? ROBERT: And they didn't have these on land? Barbara tried to get a law passed requiring just that. In RadioLab a laboratory setting is used, in which the player receives radioactive stones that emit alpha, beta and gamma radiation particles. Barbara started finding herself on panels with women who'd use drugs during their pregnancies. Nobody has a right to do that to a baby. LYNN PALTROW: Well, her explanation is that these women are having, in her terms, litters of damaged babies and society forever will be responsible for them. Well, I guess I was thinking we could just start at the beginning. It happens. All jokes aside. SAM KEAN: They wanted to see basically the effects of starvation on multiple generations. She is nine. About 30 years ago-. DESTINY HARRIS: My situation turned out positive. Professional authors can write an essay in 3 hours, if there is a certain volume, but it must be borne in mind that with such a service the price will be the highest. You know, they say it only takes one time. ROBERT: Frankly, this makes being 9, 10, 11, 12 like a rather crucial. JAD: [expletive] That was awesome. How do those cycles perpetuate? I want her to be able to look back on her life one day, maybe when she's getting interviewed, I don't know, and be able to say that, "Yes, my mom was there for me 100% without a doubt." He's the guy who told us about Olov's work. So some scientists began to ask Kammerer if they could look at his toads. This, of course, is Destiny. [chuckles]. That's how we ended up with four of them. So much can happen after that. Yeah, thats it. And she told Barbara, "There's something you need to know about this baby.". SAM KEAN: Yeah, it was a very attractive theory to them in Moscow. She's 22 now and she's never even met her birth mom. Is that what you're saying? When rats have more of this protein, they will act more motherly. According to Darwin, life and changes are ruled by chance. We'll just be honest. You're slippery, partner's slippery. JAD: You got your good parents and your bad parents. Over the past five years, if you look at our tax return. BARBARA HARRIS: Because he couldn't hold formula down. SAM KEAN: I should add too. DESTINY HARRIS: Not been born at all. CARL ZIMMER: The right hand had been cut off for microscopic slides. JAD: I got to say this is spooky. When Kammerer published his results initially, a bunch of scientists immediately began to say CARL ZIMMER: "Wait a minute, hold on here, it would be nice if life was like that but life isn't like that. JAD: Visited Kammerer's lab when Kammerer wasn't there. Barbara Harris. They both say that they actually often forget that they're not biologically related. Kammerer puts on a suit and he walks off into the mountains Outside Vienna on a Rocky mountain trail. "She's born and tested positive for PCP crack and heroin." But according to Kammerer, here's what happened when he heated up the toads little cage. You don't think that they should have their children back?]. I mean, he hates water. Big questions are. There's going to be this massacre of toads and only a few lucky ones are going to survive. PAT: And that number, by the way, has grown a lot. PAT: So we did stop. DESTINY HARRIS: As you can see, I like to talk. Well, he thought it might have been an assistant trying to frame him because he was Jewish. Kinda makes me claustrophobic. SAM KEAN: If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. It's just a mind crushing tedium. PAT: But she says she doesn't feel that way anymore. Darwin's theory would have said, you know, 90% of the toads are going to die. I'm in public health. And when she had a baby. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: That's their choice, but the babies don't have a choice.]. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, Daytime Talkshow: I'd like everybody to meet, please, Barbara Harris. At the Vivarium, as the name suggests, they have live animals. I like you, I get the sense that there's a lot of warmth in you. Where we sought, they will find. Baby, be careful. He was really one of the first grand theorists in biology. So this whole debate, two totally different ways of seeing life. JAD: Well, its offensive. He had one remaining midwife toad. Where we began, they will accomplish. When they got another call from a social worker saying that same mother, Destiny's birth mother, had given birth to another child. They would experience these wild changes from harvest to harvest. PAT: That's a lot of people. Here's what Olov says he found in the data. And Destiny says she doesn't really care DESTINY HARRIS: I got these genes from somewhere, but I kind of feel like she was a surrogate, like she carried me for my real mom. That's how I've always looked at it. And that's when things would start to get out of control. How old are your boys right now? So, in the end, where do you come down on this? Radiolab is a radio program broadcast on public radio stations in the United States, and a podcast available internationally, both produced by WNYC.Hosted by Jad Abumrad, Latif Nasser and Lulu Miller, each episode focuses on a topic of a scientific and philosophical nature, through stories, interviews, and thought experiments.. CHARLOTTE ZIMMER: Radiolab is supported in part by the National Science Foundation and CHARLOTTE and VERONICA ZIMMER: The Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. Move on to the next cage, yes, no? Okay, I'm here. CARL ZIMMER: He was revealing it with experiments. JAD: But that you supposedly can't get to. I'm the founder and director of Project Prevention. DESTINY HARRIS: You missed it. Even though Destiny's mom was doing all sorts of drugs during her pregnancy and the doctors told Barbara that Destiny was going to be mentally and physically delayed Not feeling the way I'm supposed to feel. All rights reserved. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab today. I said, "No, no, that's okay." Radiolab branded apparel and accessories are available at the Official Radiolab Online Store, aka the Swag Lab. ROBERT: But the results are very clear. ], [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: Probably racist.]. Here, Kammerer's was saying, "You can do this even on a physical level.". JAD: How do those cycles perpetuate? You just haven't evolved for this and there's no way you can, at least not quickly. JAD: So imagine the DNA in that brain cell. One time, and I'm on flighter. JAD: Who now works at Columbia University. All right, I'll get in the water." JAD: I want to start with a parental day dream for a second. I mean, for one thing, Barbara's white and Destiny's black. Everybody we talked to seems to think there's something really interesting going on here. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, Jad Abumrad: Whats that called?]. I got these genes from somewhere, but I kind of feel like she was a surrogate, like she carried me for my real mom. In my naive mind, I didn't have a clue what a big deal this was. JAD: And I know I cant change those genes. Anyways, God bless you. "To Whom It May Concern, I have been doing very good. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, toddler: Theres the moon.]. Something happens on the molecular level. Or very many of them right at all, but, you know, his basic idea seems to be true. You dont really say it to yourself that way, but yeah. SAM KEAN: You feel kind of hemmed in by what your grandfather did? Its a terrible thought! That's what good rat mothers do, they lick their babies a lot. ROBERT: Cause we were talking to science writer, Carl Zimmer, and he told us that back in the early 1900s, this tension between Lamarck and Darwin got extra tense. US $53.6 Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for VCM II Main Cable VCM2 16pin Cable VCM 2 OBD2 Cable VCM ii IDS V101 Data Cable at the best online prices at Free shipping for many products But I take it that we have more control over our destinies and our kids' destinies than we would've thought. You got to kick it back. Were told. BARBARA HARRIS: They were seven and eight at the time. OLOV BYGREN: Well, for cardiovascular disease JAD: Olov told us, take heart disease. Visited Kammerer's lab when Kammerer wasn't there. So the great rat nightmare comes true where the females become their mothers. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. I know! like they could be whistling six tables over in a restaurant and he would turn around and be like, "Stop that," it was like it was scraping his very nerves. I'm Sam Kean's dad. JAD: In any case, these books tell you when each of these folks died, how they died. He'd fall asleep and just wake up screaming. And um Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. DESTINY HARRIS: That's my little girl. What happens, it'll get stuck to one little part of the DNA and now that little bit of DNA And these things are called, apparently, methyl groups. Thank you so much for your interest in Radiolab. Because, you know, that Ive got these two kids, right? JAD: And thats wrong [laughs].Thats not how it works. Suddenly you're marked. [ARCHIVAL CLIP, BARBARA HARRIS: These people are paying millions of dollars to take care of your children!]. ROBERT: He was a born nurturer and he adored animals. And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. ROBERT: But luckily for the Vivarium and for our story, they had a guy. TRANSCRIPTS. The kingdom archive. You just have to weigh it, is it worth it? PAT: That's really impressive. PAT: In this magazine article, Barbara even said, quote, "We don't allow dogs to breed. I'm almost done. On the Radiolab website they define the show as follows: "Radiolab is a show about curiosity. Take a look, explore and subscribe! ROBERT: And there were from the beginning. We'll just get one more.". A lot of times that's not the case. The event that really sets this story in motion, the set of events, happened a few months after Barbara had brought Destiny home. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Putting this into context, you know, you have a rat mom and they have about 16 to 20 babies. So FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: So we start looking at maternal care. We ask deep questions and use investigative journalism to get the answers. This is spooky because it's like JAD: It means what if grandpa has a bad day? ROBERT: Inheritance, what you can move on to the next generation and what you can't. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. OLOV BYGREN: Well It's one-fourth, we can we say. That you're just renaming it. My name is Jean Kean. Last I heard she was living on the streets in LA. And as soon as she got there to pick him up, she could tell that something was wrong. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. But this stuff you're telling me about Sweden feels very grim in a certain way. Olov told us, take heart disease. PAT WALTERS: Mamaw was the one I'd come to see. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: [laughs[ Exactly. He's 22, 23, and he already had this reputation for being amazing at keeping animals alive, that otherwise would just die. All of our writers are dedicated to their job and do their best to produce all types of academic papers of superior quality. LYNN PALTROW: The fact that you're motivated by a really beautiful, important value, that we want healthy kids, doesn't mean the mechanism you're using is going to end up helping those kids. Four or five steps later, we are in JAD: So almost instantaneously, the mother's tongue has reached into the baby's brain cells. They willed the neck to get longer, the muscles to get bigger. The results are obvious to you. I wonder how much you believe in it. I went to the hospital and picked him up. BARBARA HARRIS: This is 750 and this is 200. Very easily. Destiny says one day, she and her mom were in the car, and her mom said She said, "I don't know, you know, maybe they'll grow bigger? Like shed give the women a choice. LULU: So far. CARL ZIMMER: And he makes a very careful study of this hand. PAT: And even though they look basically nothing alike. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Yes, yes. And I packed up my stuff, it's pretty much done. The sperm carries these marks to the next generation. CARL ZIMMER: I just have to read this to you. And she says, one day, this idea just came to her. How old are your boys right now? There were four girls and Barbara and Destiny told me that a few years ago they found three of them and they all either were in college or had finished college. RADIOLAB Podcast "Inheritance" Homework Assignment Name: Rohan Desai PSUID: 9 6241 8529 Listen to the first three stories of the "Inheritance" Radiolab Podcast (Control + click on link to access podcast. And well just let the old yahoos from whom we inheritedededed inherited it take it away. MICHAEL MEANEY: What happens when moms lick their pups is that the pup beccomes aroused. CARL ZIMMER: Kammerer puts on a suit and he walks off into the mountains SAM KEAN: Outside Vienna on a Rocky mountain trail. PAT: She just knew, "This is my daughter.". You know, inside these cells, in the center, coiled up in little spools, is the DNA. ROBERT: Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. You can't see that on the radio but, hey, it's a fact of life. Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. When they got another call from a social worker saying that same mother, Destiny's birth mother, had given birth to another child. You've got these toads who hate water. I just saw them as child abusers. Whole lifetime of stretching. [ARCHIVAL Clip, Panel: You don't think that they should have their children back?]. SAM KEAN: No, they did not have them on land. Then she goes, "Oh wait, I didn't give birth to you. I had everybody's abuse on my back and I didn't care how we said it, or how we did it. So, of course the folks at the Vivarium asked him. She said, "Well, she's just beautiful and she has lips like a baby doll." JAD: Turning down a job that they'd offered him. CARL ZIMMER: He hit the lecture circuit and he hit it big. Who are you? Lots of money. PAT: And as soon as she got there to pick him up, she could tell that something was wrong. This assignment is from the free science education website Science Prof Online(ScienceProfOnline.com). JAD: And looking at these swings in fortune, Olov realized what he had here was JAD: Because with all this data, he and his team could follow families forward in time, through the generations. When Emil gets to be eight, I'm cutting him off. I don't like to upset people. Could you just tell us what you are doing now? JAD: Famine again, and these changes would just bounce back and forth. That was it. PAT: Barbara has this drawer in her desk. And what about the four kids that weren't raised with Barbara? ], Like you said, when you were in your addiction like she is], I didn't say I'm God. ROBERT: That's interesting. ROBERT: Including a particular amphibian that plays a very big part in this story. But what exactly Maybe you can explain this to me, Robert. SAM KEAN: You got to help boost if you had a starving grandfather. And the key point is that it wasnt something inborn in them. JAD: Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. We inherited this beloved show that we first fell in love with as listeners. Each stone represents a radioisotope by means of a. [WILL: Hi, this is Will, calling from Northumberland, England. A couple of days later, I had already bonded with her so much, it was as if I gave birth to her. Barbara Harris's solution is simpler than anything else out there. And he was going through withdrawal. In this episode, originally aired in 2012,we put nature and nurture on a collision course and discover how outside forces can find a way inside us, and change not just our hearts and minds, but the basic biological blueprint that we pass on to future generations. So moms licking activates serotonin, and it's released onto brain cells in the hippocampus. JAD: So then over the next 70 some odd years, Lamarck basically became the poster boy for, like, the big dumb idea, the idea that you want to believe in but that you know isn't true. JAD: Now, according to Carl, your genes are still fixed. This is what's called the slow growth period. She was thinking Can I offer these women money to use birth control? DESTINY HARRIS: Oh my goodness. Riksarkivet. Radiolab - Transcripts Subscribe 187 episodes Radiolab is on a curiosity bender. I should add too. So thats the reason, of course, that we work with rats because we can get inside the brain. Its so good that it makes you not want to trash the house, you know what I mean? It's a very different kind of front line, where urgent work means moving slow, and time is marked out in tiny pre-planned steps. PAT: She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. I just have to read this to you. Wow. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. SAM KEAN: And his lab ended up getting destroyed. What do you mean? JAD: That is impossible, so far as we know, but there seems to be this layer on top of the genes. Researchers have found evidence of structural. PAT: Could you just tell us what you are doing now? DESTINY HARRIS: Yes. I'm almost done. SAM KEAN: He extended this idea to people. PAT: But were getting ahead of ourselves here. JAD: Even if it helps, it's horrifying. He is passionate about scholarly writing, World History, and Political sciences. PAT: The moment I really felt like, "Whoa," was when we started talking about PAT: The little baby that we keep hearing in the background of everything. I know! It would be wrong to think that they represent all women who use drugs while they're pregnant. But it failed. It all came down to this jar with his toad in it. I don't have the biggest boobies in the world. Well, I guess I was thinking we could just start at the beginning. If you have a starving daddy, it turns out that the baby actually gets some sort of health benefit. PEJK MALINOVSKI: It says "registrera", register. He actually named his daughter Lacerta, which is a genus of lizard. According to Frances, it's not just sitting up there perfectly preserved, it's in the middle of the cell, it's crowded. If you've already had a kid, you can be sterilized. JAD: Because here's the thing, the churches up in verkalix kept incredibly detailed records. Radiolab is on YouTube! Really slowly, gradually, achingly slowly. 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